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  1. #11
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    Citaat Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Johnny BravoNL Bekijk Berichten
    You're a good sport. I was just messin' with ya. The thing is; why for f*cks sake (pardon my French), would anyone drive hundreds of miles, or even walk ten minutes to a location that has NO strategic advantage as to the one you are leaving? You asked for comments, this is mine. It is just plain stupid to have an unprepared BOL. What's the use for having one?

    And just to comment on your earlier question directed to me, something in the line of "should I re-write my posts just to entertain you?", the answer is no. You do not have to entertain me, unless however, you are a sexy woman with legs way up to your shoulders, some sort of athletic ability and the total absence of a gag reflex, making my most nastiest fantasies come true, then I guess we could work something out, on the entertainment side that is...

    Anyway, back to normal: So what's your view on the dilemma you posted?
    Now we're talking JB. I was kind of hoping you were the woman. The unprepared are also the unthinking. No telling what they might do when the SHTF. My view is that history is replete with examples of people bugging out and driving any manner of motor vehicles, horse drawn wagons and pushing carts. It is not a pretty sight. Imagine the biggest stalled traffic jam you have ever seen. Once the roadway system is impassable, refugees will take to the secondary roads and then those roads will suffer the same congestion and immobility. Throw in some who have broken down, run out of gas or collided with another vehicle and the magnitude of the problem becomes clear. I cannot think of a much worse place to be stuck than on the road surrounded by angry and scared people. Soon, some stalled motorist will see a prepper in his motor vehicle, drinking water or eating an energy bar, and then trouble will begin because they were not prepared and have no food or water. Of course, if this happens your new BOL will now be your stalled motor vehicle because you won't be going any place else with everyone stuck in traffic. Not a pretty image. Best wishes.

  2. #12
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    This community has more than enough prepping knowledge. But they overvalue the bug out. They often even consider living out in the wild after a shtf, in The Netherlands, one of the most populated country's in the world, that hardly has any wild left! In the USMC and the RNLMC you learn the true value of a building! Even if you're thrown out, you would look for another one. Most people here don't understand that. Kind regards Dick Berts (RNLMC ret).


    PS JB has a big mouth, but a bigger heart. He is really OK.

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    Citaat Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door SoCal92057 Bekijk Berichten
    Now we're talking JB. I was kind of hoping you were the woman. The unprepared are also the unthinking. No telling what they might do when the SHTF. My view is that history is replete with examples of people bugging out and driving any manner of motor vehicles, horse drawn wagons and pushing carts. It is not a pretty sight. Imagine the biggest stalled traffic jam you have ever seen. Once the roadway system is impassable, refugees will take to the secondary roads and then those roads will suffer the same congestion and immobility. Throw in some who have broken down, run out of gas or collided with another vehicle and the magnitude of the problem becomes clear. I cannot think of a much worse place to be stuck than on the road surrounded by angry and scared people. Soon, some stalled motorist will see a prepper in his motor vehicle, drinking water or eating an energy bar, and then trouble will begin because they were not prepared and have no food or water. Of course, if this happens your new BOL will now be your stalled motor vehicle because you won't be going any place else with everyone stuck in traffic. Not a pretty image. Best wishes.
    Besides the obvious traffic jams, the government doesn't want people to stampede from the cities en clog up every possible road. They will block not only highways, but every possible route you can take with a motor vehicle, airports, harbours, etc, trying to keep things under controle.

    Either you get out of the city BEFORE things get out of hand, or you can only hope to walk out of there under cover of night.
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    Citaat Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Raycoupe Bekijk Berichten
    Besides the obvious traffic jams, the government doesn't want people to stampede from the cities en clog up every possible road. They will block not only highways, but every possible route you can take with a motor vehicle, airports, harbours, etc, trying to keep things under controle.

    Either you get out of the city BEFORE things get out of hand, or you can only hope to walk out of there under cover of night.
    If the SHTF is bad enough, the authorities will not be at their posts but will be taking care of themselves and family. That will be part of the problem not to mention they will have the authority of their uniform and a firearm to push their way to the front of the line so to speak. In the worst case it will become a survival of the fittest (best armed with whatever that is) situation.

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    Citaat Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door DickBerts Bekijk Berichten
    This community has more than enough prepping knowledge. But they overvalue the bug out. They often even consider living out in the wild after a shtf, in The Netherlands, one of the most populated country's in the world, that hardly has any wild left! In the USMC and the RNLMC you learn the true value of a building! Even if you're thrown out, you would look for another one. Most people here don't understand that. Kind regards Dick Berts (RNLMC ret).


    PS JB has a big mouth, but a bigger heart. He is really OK.
    BO types should try sleeping outside in bad weather. Semper Fidelis / Qua Patet Orbis

  6. #16
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    Citaat Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Raycoupe Bekijk Berichten
    Either you get out of the city BEFORE things get out of hand, or you can only hope to walk out of there under cover of night.
    Exactly. Ever seen the Discovery documentary Blackout?
    In minutes all roads are completely blocked. Therefore: always wear shoes you can walk on for miles, or have them in your car (e.g. when you are a lady normally wearing high heels). And make sure your GHB/BOB is wearable, not in boxes as some posted before.

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    Citaat Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door SoCal92057 Bekijk Berichten
    If the SHTF is bad enough, the authorities will not be at their posts but will be taking care of themselves and family. That will be part of the problem not to mention they will have the authority of their uniform and a firearm to push their way to the front of the line so to speak. In the worst case it will become a survival of the fittest (best armed with whatever that is) situation.
    That might be the case when that big astroid comes hurteling down, but that's just one scenario. When the SHTF is big enough, nothing matters any more and survival is like partaking in a lottery, no matter how prepared you are.

    In case of war, nucleair accident, pandemic i.e. the government will allways try to keep the population calm and under control. They will downplay the events, tell you not to worry, to go to sleep peacefully. Do please go to work and keep shopping, they will take care of the problem. History teaches us that.

    Look i.e. at the recent Fukushima disaster.
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    Citaat Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Raycoupe Bekijk Berichten
    That might be the case when that big astroid comes hurteling down, but that's just one scenario. When the SHTF is big enough, nothing matters any more and survival is like partaking in a lottery, no matter how prepared you are.

    In case of war, nucleair accident, pandemic i.e. the government will allways try to keep the population calm and under control. They will downplay the events, tell you not to worry, to go to sleep peacefully. Do please go to work and keep shopping, they will take care of the problem. History teaches us that.

    Look i.e. at the recent Fukushima disaster.
    A government will never admit they have lost control. Once they do, you will realize there is no government. You must maintain a situational awareness of your world, local and international. Wake up and ask yourself what is going on and if it can affect me. The city and state governments lost control during hurricane Katrina that hit New Orleans. Due to government incompetence and individual unpreparedness, many people died. As we know here on this forum, you must be prepared to take care of yourself and family. The government will not be there when things are at their worst. As we say here in the US, "When seconds count, the police are only minutes away."

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    Citaat Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Raycoupe Bekijk Berichten
    That might be the case when that big astroid comes hurteling down, but that's just one scenario. When the SHTF is big enough, nothing matters any more and survival is like partaking in a lottery, no matter how prepared you are.

    In case of war, nucleair accident, pandemic i.e. the government will allways try to keep the population calm and under control. They will downplay the events, tell you not to worry, to go to sleep peacefully. Do please go to work and keep shopping, they will take care of the problem. History teaches us that.

    Look i.e. at the recent Fukushima disaster.
    The worst/best example of government personnel leaving their posts was during hurricane Katrina. This was no asteroid and yet much of the New Orleans police department did not report for work. Any event, big or small, that an individual feels will put their family at risk may cause them not to report to work. The people of New Orleans were mostly on their own for about a week.

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    On their own? And what did the American prepper community do for those who needed help?
    So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish

 

 

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